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Sophia: Welcome to another fantastic episode of the boss at podcast today. I am extremely excited to have Shalene with me Shaleen before we get started. Can you tell us what your mantra is that keeps you going?

Shaleen: Yeah, sure. Well, hi everyone. My name is Charlene and my mantra is action compares fear. Ooh. And now I was really excited by this question because that is very much how I like to live with. I think that women, especially, we can often get stuck in our own heads and start to overthink things. Like what if someone says no, what if this idea fails? 

Shaleen: So I think that what action conquers fear or what I realized is that for every step of action that you take in your goal, like that fear starts to depreciate just with every inch. So that's why I'm really passionate about that.

Sophia: That's fantastic. Action. Conquers fear. And you're right. I think people hesitate to, to take that first initial step because they're so scared, but once they start moving towards even the smallest steps towards their goal, it helps get that momentum going.  

Sophia: So that is amazing. That's an amazing mantra. I'm definitely going to also put that on my sticky note. 

Shaleen: I read that I was like, this sums up everything I need to keep in mind in life.

Sophia: So a hundred percent, a hundred percent. And just for our audience, let us know your story. How did you get into entrepreneurship? 

Sophia: Introduced your company? I want to hear it all. 

Shaleen: Yeah, sure. I am based in Boston and I have always been really passionate about women's empowerment and particularly like women's representation in the media. That space has always been very exciting and very interesting to me. And that's why I am one of the co-founders of women who when to kind of go into like how that all came to be. 

Shaleen: I would say that I actually kind of grew up in like the South Asian media, this, my mom been actively involved with an Indian newspaper we have in Massachusetts. So she actually did a talk show with them, which was really cool, like when you're like 10 and like your mom's doing all these. It was pretty exciting. 

Shaleen: So I used to tag along with her a lot and I got to meet Nina devilry, who is miss America. I'm a few years ago and Sonic event from American idol. And I got to kind of tag along to these different interviews. It's super cool. And I didn't realize how much of an influence it had on my life until we started this platform, because what I saw kind of early age was that women are very multifaceted and they have all of these amazing stories. 

Shaleen: I got really excited by that. And so when we created this platform, I really wanted to hone in on that storytelling that I grew up with. 

Sophia: Wonderful. And is it like a media company? How would you help somebody like myself? Who's an entrepreneur? What would your services look like?

Shaleen: That's a great question. And that's kind of what we wanted to focus on is that women have so many expertise in so many different fields.

Shaleen: And what we saw was that in a lot of the mainstream media, they're not always the first expert to be. I was actually reading a study a few weeks ago, about how only 20% of like guest experts on news channels are women. And I was like, well, that's a little bit low. And so our platform kind of aims to bring women's expertise to the forefront.

Shaleen: So for women entrepreneurs like yourself, we have our women entrepreneurs section, like that's like a big vertical. So we share the story of the entrepreneur. We share kind of how they built their business as well as sort of their key expertise in their field. So they're like a sustainability entrepreneur.

Shaleen: We share their story and their expertise in sustainability. Once they've joined our platform, we invite them to different speaking opportunities. So we have panel discussions once a month on whatever is like a really trending. So we'll invite them to be on a panel and kind of share and be that kind of thought leader there.

Shaleen: Our goal is really to be that platform that brings women experts in their fields and really like lifts them up.   

Sophia: That is fantastic. And I think speaking from experience when it comes to going out in front of media, any type of PR, that's usually the last thing. Well, I think of, and, but the thing we have to remember is yes, we have all this incredible knowledge and we have all this incredible experience, but if we don't.

Sophia: Agencies like yourself to push the news or the information forward, then you're not reaching the audience. You're keeping it for yourself. And so as much as it's difficult to step out there and use your voice and speak and share your knowledge, I think it's a part of the service of helping future leaders and future women onto.

Shaleen: Exactly. Even when you look at someone's profile on LinkedIn, a lot of it is looking at where they shared their expertise. Like where have they been featured? And it's really hard for women that are not necessarily like CEO or have been featured in the media before. So we want to kind of bring experts across different levels too, and kind of help amplify their voice in their.

Sophia: Yeah, and  you're doing such an incredible service. I would have to say again, it is difficult. They say with PR you need to know somebody in the industry to get even a feature spot. Right? It's so many people and people who have connections that will be able to go in line first. And if we're a part of a community who may not have had the experience or the connections, then you may be treading uphill and right. 

Shaleen: Exactly. I think that's kind of the gap that we saw is that you need to give like the everyday woman a platform to share their stories. So that's kind of the goal. 

Sophia: It's a beautiful service for everyone. So let's be clear. It's only for women entrepreneurs that you are.

Shaleen: It's women of all industries, women in tech, women, entrepreneurs.

Shaleen: That's one of our biggest verticals I would say is women not writing doors represent across the. Women's health is a really big one for us too, because two of our co-founders are in the healthcare space. So that's why we do a lot of like women in healthcare panels. And also because there's not too many verticals addressing like taboos.

Shaleen: I think we have a people of color with women. So I do a lot of those kinds of conversations too. 

Sophia: Oh, that's wonderful. And so you have panels once a month, is a panel open for others to attend or is it a closed panel and then a recording maybe touch on that a little bit as well. 

Shaleen: Yeah. It's so it depends on typically what the catalysts are most comfortable.

Shaleen: Typically, we aim to do it as a live stream because we want that audience like live Q and a. So that's the most fun. Typically we'll try to grab like the last Sunday morning of a month and we'll set up a panel there. Someone in Arkema moderate, you have five guests hosts on a team that kind of moderate our candles and our interviews.

Shaleen: So we'll pick one of them based on which vertical we're representing. So we'll pick like a healthcare person for like, if it's a healthcare conversation and then that's an open forum it's free and accessible to anyone who's entering. And may we have a mental health panel coming up for mental health month.

Shaleen: So we're going to be addressing mental health for women and people of color. Nice. 

Sophia: Oh, I'd love that. I'm definitely gonna join that conversation as an attendee, for sure. We spoke a little bit about how it was your mother's exposure experience in media that has brought you to this place with your entrepreneurial journey.

Sophia: Was there anything that you had explored before starting your own business? 

Shaleen: Yeah. I guess it's kind of unique about that is I actually started this right after graduating and that sense I actually do work full time as well. I make commerce in Boston. So a very fun challenge, kind of managing both, but my background was business.

Shaleen: So I studied business at pops in college, and I focused in on analytics specifically. And then I work in e-commerce. So I'm kind of a part of two different worlds is how I describe it. Yeah. Where I'm like, I have this kind of, e-commerce like brain where I'm thinking about things like user experience and analytics.

Shaleen: And then on this side, I get to work on, cause that I'm really passionate about, but the worlds overlap a lot more than you think. I built our website because I had experience working on any commerce sites. So I was able to kind of leverage that when I built our website. Working in e-commerce you get a really good sense of like how people think I was kind of able to like, apply that when I was kind of building our stuff to, I get to be a part of two different worlds, which is really exciting.  

Sophia:  Well, it's great because I think it really helps people understand, especially our listeners that you are wearing multiple hats and you're starting at your day. And so most people on the show know that I work part-time and now I've taken a full-time position temporarily while we transitioned through some leadership with my clinic.

Sophia: And sometimes that's what you have to do, right? Because when you start your business, it's going to be slow. And especially if you are responsible for a family, you may not want to take on the full risk of quitting your nine to five. At the beginning, you may need to be on two sides of the. You may not be able to fully dedicate.

Sophia: So that is one of the premises of the show is really to understand that it is completely okay to take your time, to move into entrepreneurship. If you are feeling that pull towards being an entrepreneur and owning your own business. Because sometimes you'll get into it and you'll realize, well, this is not exactly what I wanted to do.

Sophia: Right. The joke is right. You leave your nine to five to work 24 hours a day, because at the beginning it can be that you may want to dip your toes in the water a little bit. And I think Shelene story also highlights that in a lot of ways, because you started this, but you're still working and I love.

Sophia: You've done that because at least you're exploring all your options and you're not looking at the band-aids at the beginning. And then realizing that potentially might not be the right fit, but hopefully there'll be.

Shaleen: But you never know until you try. I agree, especially when you're kind of on the younger side, when you're in your early twenties, where you haven't had as much life experience that kind of being able to have that corporate experience while you're.

Shaleen: Kind of running your own platform is really important because you learn a lot of things like meeting etiquette and how to leverage different technical tools and things like that. You don't always realize how valuable they are when you start your own business. And even though it's two different worlds, like there's just so much to apply between the two. 

Shaleen: Like, I think I'm better at my job in some ways, because I also have my own platform and vice versa.

Sophia: The skills are transferable and they borrow from each other.

Shaleen: I think that's what it is. I think that people often have that impression that you have to either be one or the other, but I think doing both is the best way to learn. 

Sophia: Oh yeah. And you're a  little bit more proficient with your time, because with me anyways, I say that I run also Sophia, which is the product based. When I would be watching Netflix and I'm not a TV watcher. So what else would I have been doing? I don't know, maybe online shopping.

Shaleen: So maybe it's better that I started the business.

Shaleen: Exactly. I think I'm the same way. Like I think I definitely work a lot on women who, when, when I would theoretically just be like watching TV or something. So it's kinda nice to have something else. 

Sophia: Yeah. A hundred percent. Okay. Let's move on to advice time. What is one piece of advice you wish you knew before you started using.

Shaleen: That's a really good question. And it's kind of funny because every time we do an interview, we always ask someone for advice. So now I'm thinking about what my advice would be. I guess mine would honestly be that when you're networking, I think the most important thing is to go in with the intent of building like a genuine relationship.

Shaleen: I think that what I've seen with a lot of my peers and in general, When it comes to networking is people can be really focused on like that short-term ass. Like what they're aiming for in the short term, whether it's a job referral or finding a sponsor or an advertiser for something, or like a short term opportunity.

Shaleen: But I think that what we've really learned is that when you go into networking with kind of that longterm, like genuine relationship in mind, you'll get a lot more out of it, even though you're putting more time in. So typically for me, if someone has an interesting profile, it can be really easy just to kind of ask them, Hey, do you want to be featured? 

Shaleen: But what's been really cool is that sometimes they all just hop on the phone and like chat with them and then we can kind of see how else our missions align and that we have additional collaboration opportunity. And it's the same thing, like when you're in your industry and maybe you're looking for a new role, sometimes just talking to other people in the field, rather than just asking for something right away, you begin to learn a lot and then learn more from them later.

Shaleen: So my biggest advice is definitely just to go into networking with a mindset of building a genuine relationship. Don't be afraid to hop on the phone, even though that's not very gensy of me, but we're not a big phone people that will say.

Sophia: Well, I think as a millennial or not. Phone people either, but the text message and email only takes you so far.

Sophia: Right.  

Shaleen: And exactly.

Sophia: We need to know that there's another human on the other side that is trying to make waves in their industry and how can we help them and how can they help us? And, uh, relationship building is I think one of the biggest benefits of starting up. You meet so many people in business. And if you can carve out even a segment of that population as a genuine relationship, that's gold.

Sophia: I think that's one of the softer benefits of starting a business. I mean, obviously people do it because they want to make money and livelihood and all the rest of it. But I think the relationship building is extremely important. And I also could take your advice as well. We get so busy on the day-to-day.

Sophia: You don't realize that taking that extra time to build a solid relationship can not only help you in the present day, but in the future, not that you should only be building the relationships for benefit, but to thinking about it in that I would like to connect with this. A little bit more. It's a great experience.

Sophia: It's great. Part of the experience of being an entrepreneur. 

Shaleen: Oh, for sure. I think that one of the most important things is just like, for us, like, because we kind of went into building this platform, a lot of us had already kind of had relationships because I had gone to a very entrepreneurship focused college.

Shaleen: My mom had spent so many years building relationships in the media space too. And our other co-founders had really strong relationships in healthcare. So when we had come to like create this. We actually saved a lot of time because we knew a lot of good people to reach out to you actually get like a great return out of that.

Shaleen: So, yeah.  

Sophia: Oh, that's great. And then your co-founders and you connected and so their network became your network, so that's even great. Kind of goes into the trap attrition, right?

Shaleen: Yeah. I love it.

Sophia: Okay, let's go onto the next question. Actionable goals. How are you goal-setting and managing your time.

Shaleen: That is something I'm still trying to figure out. 

Shaleen: So I will definitely be listening to more episodes of this podcast to get some advice on that. So it is a great question. I will say, like my 2 cents on this topic is it's really the setting goals. I think the most important thing is to make sure that the goal that you're setting really aligns with your overall brand vision, that there's so many opportunities out there.

Shaleen: Literally the age of information where there's so many things you can do, you put your business, you can start a Facebook group, you can have an Instagram content creation thing. You can have like so many different things. And I think that it's really hard to like prioritize it, especially if you're doing multiple types of ventures. 

Shaleen: So whenever we have like a brainstorming session, our team, and someone brings up an idea, like the first question, not like we ask ourselves is how does this tie to our overall mission of being a community that empowers women does. If not like, do you prioritize? So I think that that's kind of the, yeah, exactly. 

Shaleen: So that's kind of the mindset that I realized has been really helpful for me because I'm definitely one of those people, like early twenties, like I want to do everything. I want to try every feature, like Facebook introduced subgroups. I want to try that. Like, I want to try all of these different things and I'm like, oh, But what's going to actually like actually grow this what actually matches the women who in brand.

Shaleen: And then that's what helped me prioritize. Yeah.  

Sophia: And actually, I need to take a page out of your book because I will be like, I want to do that. I want to do that. I want to do that, but then you're right. How does it align to what the mission and goal is for you at that time? 

Shaleen: Yeah, exactly. And I'm also a big fan of like coworking session For me, like, it's hard to work on the weekends to get things done. It can be a little bit like, I don't want to sit in my apartment on Saturday afternoon again. So yeah, so I'll like kind of hit up friends that are also kind of doing their own thing and I'll be like, Hey, do you want to just go to this new coffee shop or this new bobba place that opened up and just kind of worked together there. 

Shaleen: And that kind of helps speed keep track of my time because I'm like, okay, I have five hours blocked out on Saturday so I can enjoy the rest of my weekend and things like that .

Sophia: Oh, I love that. And so you are already doing one of the things we talk a lot about on the show is time-blocking. So you kind of already saying you blocked out the five hours of fun time, but you have to do maybe like three hours of coworking with your friends or your colleagues, colleagues slash friends.

Shaleen: Exactly.

Sophia: You go and you do your five hours of fun.

Sophia: Right. So that's great. I think really saying no is what I'm hearing out of that piece of advice. How do you say no to things and make sure that. Aligning to what you had envisioned as a goal for that quarter, for that year align with your brand. So those are all pieces of advice that I think every listener here could benefit from exactly. 

Shaleen: I call us the FOMO generation. 

Sophia: So, millennials too. We're all. As I get older, I realized that I don't care as much. So perhaps it will change eventually. You're just like, forget it. 

Shaleen: I can't be everywhere all at once. Yeah. I think the biggest thing is that now the world's opening up quite close to pandemic where there's just so many like opportunities that now you're like, I have all these opportunities in the virtual world, but I also have all these opportunities in the real world.

Sophia: I have part of the virtual world generation where they literally sit on roadblocks and build mansions. I'm like, are we going to be living in that managing because you're putting a lot of time and energy on. I know I'm designing the long in the kitchen, like your whole conversation about like real world and virtual world.

Sophia: I think it's only going to get heightened as the generations continue.

Shaleen: Oh yeah. Like I've had days where I'm like, Three virtual events to go to, but I also have to like meet up with people in person and you're like, it's just so interesting to like merge the two, but I guess that's going to be the new world, so, oh my goodness. 

Shaleen: Yes. Oh, that's hilarious.

Sophia: Okay. Well, this kind of ties into the next question, which is all about mental. And how do you keep track of everything? I mean, we can touch a little bit about how we have the real world and the virtual world and FOMO. I don't know if you want to talk about that or in general, just talk about your mental health and how do you keep everything in check?

Shaleen: Yeah, I think mental health is like one of those really important conversations. I'm really glad everyone's starting to have more of growing up. I think it was something that we didn't always talk about, especially in like south Asian communities, there was always a little bit of a hesitation to have that conversation is something that now growing up, I'm like, no, this is really important. 

Shaleen: And I actually do spend time thinking about it and talking about it. I was pretty lucky in that my. We're very big on mental health. So we kind of always had that conversation. But now I think that when I kind of what makes me happy and like what I enjoy, and I think that a lot of mental health is influenced by energy more than we think.

Shaleen: Like, I think that the type of people that you're around and the type of situations that you're in is what kind of, what influences your mental health when you're around really positive people. Your mental health tends to be a little bit better because. Influenced by that. And when you're around people that are bringing you down there, aren't really supportive of what you're doing.

Shaleen: Then your mental health starts to go down because then you start to doubt yourself too. You're like, what is the point? So for me, I think I just try to make sure that I keep my friends that are really supportive at the top of my circle. I also love to read and I love different podcasts. So I'll listen to things like I love listening to positive stories. 

Shaleen: It's really just finding different ways of like highlighting positivity, I think is how I address that. 

Sophia: Yeah. And basically you said it best your mental health is going to be directly or indirectly informed by the people that you're around. And if you have naysayers always around you that are doubting the initiative that you're taking or the initiative you started or whatever it is big cognizant of that, I think you need to be aware that isn't yours.

Sophia: That you're talking out of doing something or is it somebody else's voice and really taking time and energy to analyze where the doubt or fear may be coming from because you get a best right. Energy is a huge part of it. It's not stressed enough when it comes to mental health, like the energy that you portray, but keeping the people close to you that are supportive.

Sophia: Mind you not to turn a blind eye to warning signs of people. There's an advisor. Well, this may not be the best venture or this may not be right idea for your venture. Ask yourself, does this person have experience or knowledge that is able to advise you on that topic? For example, I don't go to my mother for business advice.

Sophia: She's never opened or started a business in her entire. Right, but I'll go to her and ask her for other pieces of advice. Right. And same with other people in my family. I'll go to them for other things. So I've really had to take a page out of your book again, on that piece of advice, because it's very difficult, right? 

Sophia: I think a lot of people, they start off on their journey as an entrepreneur and they'll have the doubters. So just be careful, don't deny your own inner wisdom and instincts, but also don't turn a blind eye to the advice might be getting, just be very analytical and say, where's this coming from? Is it coming from a good. 

Sophia: It's their own fears that might be speaking, right. Not yours or projecting their own fears, all of the above. And so I love that. 

Shaleen: It's like, do they have your best interest at heart? That's kind of what you always have to keep in mind with. 

Sophia: Our families probably do have their best interests at heart, but they might also be fearful.

Sophia: Right? I'm speaking from experience, your family might be fearful, right? What's going to happen or what could happen.

Shaleen: You're like first-generation or forced entrepreneur, the families, something like that where that's like a new world.

Sophia: What about you? I know your mother was in media, but would she consider that being entrepreneurial?

Shaleen: So she actually, in addition to being immediate, it's also the position as well, where she has kind of her full-time work and then she wanted to do something more than just that. And my dad is also a musician and he's really into possible. So that's something that like our whole family has always been big on is, is like doing more.

Shaleen: I think we're all just like, very much like the people that always want to try something new. I kind of grew up with that, but I was really lucky to have, I think that my parents have always been very supportive of trying new things. Yeah. Risk within reason. Yeah. When it comes to like career, not when it comes to like other things and because that's what they did. 

Shaleen: Like, my mom started doing media stuff when I was literally 10 years old. So she had been working for some. Yeah. So I kind of grew up in that like mindset of try everything. If you fail, you fail. Let's try the next big thing after. So it was great that like our household was so supportive of success and failure and like bouncing back.

Shaleen: I know like a lot of my friends didn't always have that, where it was. So a lot of them were kind of scared to try entrepreneurship or try something new because they grew up with. You can't fail mentality. And I think that's the hardest thing for women in some ways too, is that there is this added pressure to succeed because you feel like you want to do that for other women. 

Sophia: Yeah. If you don't have that mental model of somebody who has gone before you, it's really hard to say, oh, so-and-so did that. Why can't I do that? I heard that quite a few times. And again, another reason why this platform started. I heard this quite a few times after we were able to launch a product in a big retailer.

Sophia: There was no mental model of somebody that looked like me and acted like me and did an ethnic brand to put in a big retailer. It was not a mental model that was possible. My number one question was, why didn't anybody else do that? It's because they didn't know it was possible. And so I think it's good that you're talking to us and like, I guess our friends and families may not have had that opportunity.

Sophia: But you could be that opportunity to say, look, look at my mom, look at me like we can do it. And I think fantastic to really like, be a trailblazer when it comes to that. And that's fantastic. I know sometimes there's like specific topics that are helping you to grow the platform. We'll talk about lead magnets and like subscriptions and stuff, but is there anything else that your platform is highlighting for?

Shaleen: Yeah. So we actually are kicking off the next iteration of our mentorship program. One of the first virtual mentorship programs that's across industries.

Sophia: Okay. So tell me this. We're talking about mental models and if you don't have somebody to model after it becomes very difficult to get your mojo going, get your momentum moving, get your first step, your first action.

Sophia: And going back to your mantra. Action. Conquers fear. Does your program have anything that they can offer to help women entrepreneurs or women in all industries find people that can help guide them?

Shaleen: Yeah, that's a great question. And that's why we actually kicked off our women's mattress ship and career exploration night.

Shaleen: At the end of last year, because what we saw was that we have over 300 women writing for us. And these are like really great experts. And we have an opportunity here and a group of people here that have so much wisdom to offer. So we kind of were like, we have the building blocks of creating a mentorship program.

Shaleen: We ran a pilot mentorship program last fall, where we had six mentors who were really top women in their industries. We had one professor from George Washington university. We had a woman from India. So we had these like really great industry leaders actually mentor six young professionals. And that was really exciting because this was during COVID where a lot of mentorship programs had been canceled.

Shaleen: So we kind of wanted to create something virtual and I was really great. We wanted to make this a mentorship program for all industries, as opposed to just one, because that's what our platform is, we're across industry. So we wanted our mentorship program to reflect. I went really well. And this year we're going to be doing the second iteration the summer, which is going to be really exciting.

Shaleen: We're going to be building out a new website for that. So more to come there, but if business technology, women's health law, any of those fields, if you're interested and looking for a great mentor.

Sophia: Oh, my goodness. That is fantastic. And I know a lot of our listeners are just starting out. So if they are hedging between two fields, for example, like entrepreneurship and perhaps their day job, is that something that they can look into perhaps getting a mentor for both opportunity?

Sophia: Yeah. Okay. 

Shaleen: Yeah. We kind of encourage our mentors that if they want to take more than one mentee, if their time allows it, please. And the other thing with our mentorship program is that it's emphasizing that exploratory phase. A lot of mentorship programs are a little bit more specific to certain industries and specific points in your career, but we really wanted to create something that's like, Hey, I want to maybe pursue this, or I'm really passionate about this, but I don't know where to start.

Shaleen: Or ours is really focused on that early journey exploration. 

Sophia: Fantastic. And that's what people need at the beginning of their journey. Be it in entrepreneurship, even in law, be it in any type of healthcare field, it is difficult to decide. And if you have a mentor who can say, yeah, this is likely what it will look like.

Sophia: Not exact, but this is what you can do to find out, give you a guide at the very beginning, before you get too deep into it, then it will be to your benefit by niching down so that hasn't launched yet the mentorship program opportunity. 

Shaleen: So 20, 20 twos is going to be launching in summer. Okay. I will definitely shout that out when we have that fully launched.

Shaleen: So that's going to be. 

Sophia: Oh, this is awesome. Okay. So let's go from the top. Let's find out where you are on social media. What are your handles? And also, is there a website that they can sign up to? So then when you do shout out the mentorship program, we have, our listeners can, we'll be the first to know.

Shaleen: Yeah. So our website is women who win 101 0, zero.com. And our Instagram is at women who in 100 as well. We're also on Facebook and LinkedIn. So if you search us up there, you'll be able to find us. And on our website, we also have calls to action for our email 

Sophia: lists. That's great. So we'll link everything in the show notes, Shaleen.

Sophia: This was such a great opportunity to meet you and listen to everything you have to offer, especially for our women entrepreneurs and our women. Really, I think across all sectors, like I said, many people are doing two things at once, so they may be doing a nine to five and their professional career. And then they're also dabbling into some sort of side hustles slash entrepreneurship.

Sophia: So this is fantastic. And I know many of the listeners will look into this opportunity and thank you again for coming on the show. Is there any other last pieces of advice you have for our, I would say, just take action and enjoy everything you do. Yay. I love it. 

Sophia: Thank you guys for listening. And remember, make a plan and take action.

Sophia: And we'll talk to you guys again next week. Take care. Bye. 

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